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Why should Catalyst care Organics life?

Discussion in 'Mass Effect 3 General Discussion' started by gnstmdwjd, Jun 4, 2012.

  1. gnstmdwjd Member

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    He said that he should protect the existence of Organic life from Synthetics.

    Why should he care organic life?

    More importantly, Why should he care 'the continuous existence of Organics' even if he destroyed countless Organics during past billions of years?

    Why shouldn't he allow Synthetic's dominance over Organics? Is he God? If so, Why should he discriminate Synthetics? Thousands of Organics species extincted during one cycle even before Reaper's genocide. Why did he allow some Organics to dominate other Organics but not allow Synthetics to dominate Organics?

    (Of course, Reaper used Synthetics to destroy Organics during their harvesting. For example, Reaper used Geth, Zha'til. But let's forget it for a minute. Again, Catalyst is really the worst hypocrite)

    Only possible motivation for Catalyst : During harvesting, Reaper absorbed Organics knowledge, genetic potentials, technology and so on, according to Catalysts and Vigil => Thus, Organics were Reaper's food. So, they should protect their food resource from other Synthetics. In other word, they just tried to monopolize their food resource.

    Any better idea? It seems clear that word of Catalyst doesn't make any sense if we should take it at face value. Catalyst just pretends to 'help' Organics.
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    As far as i care to consider a character that will hopefully be written out of the canon someday, i always considered him as an AI or more likely a VI designed in the very first cycle to find a way to preserve organic races in the wake of a suspectedly unavoidable synthetic overtake. Of course his view about what it means to be organic, or frankly, what it means to be alive is completely srtipped down to a most materialist viewpoint, meaning the preservance of a sentient organic race's genetic code and its anomalies. Cold and calculating as a machine can be, focused on a singular purpose, with half the common sense of a six year old child and with not a single line of code that can be interpreted as 'moral and ethical reasoning'
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  3. gnstmdwjd Member

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    Is he AI or VI something? If then, is he so-called post-singularity AI that the very fist cycle created? Actually, it seems that he is almost omnipotent after all.
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    As it is, there's no reason for the Catalyst to care. The only reason the Reapers would want to sustain organic life would be because they need organics to create more Reapers. This just brings us back to the whole circular problem. The Catalyst also tries to present itself as completely altruistic, looking out only for the preservation of organics, but I think if we read between the lines a little bit (SPECULATION!) what the Catalyst is actually saying is that they need to harvest organics to maintain their population.
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    In my theory, it happened kinda like this:
    First cycle organics created synthetics, who rebelled, almost wiping them out. But organics survived, possibly defeating the synthetics. Organics design a VI to find a solution to the problem between creator and created. Maybe a prototype Reaper with both organic and synthetic traces (maybe an idea for mutual co-existance). Intelligence is limited, too much would make a new AI, a new threat. Explains very limited understanding of organics and "life", and the lack of moral system, and the unquestioning nature towards the goal that was given to it. It found the solution in what we call reapers. Somehow gained enough influence to set the solution in motion, starting the cycles. Never reached by organics ever since, no new input or anything to question itself.
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    So in your headcanon, the Catalyst's preservation goal is just kind of residual, the core programming that's been buried under billions of years of cycles and adaptation, and somewhere in that time the Reapers gained sentience? That's a nifty theory.
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    And still no input or anything to question itself with the ending...
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  8. gnstmdwjd Member

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    In aspect of morality, Catalyst is quite stupid. But his ability (creating, controlling Reaper -> Actually, even Reaper themselves are almost omnipotent after all. And Reaper themselves seem to be so-called 'post singularity' according to Legion) is almost omnipotent. Actually, his 'solution' has worked during the past billions of years!

    It is quite ironic. His inability of thinking about morality is in directly contrast with his omnipotent ability of destruction and deceit

    This is an another characteristic of Psychopath after all.
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    Thats actualy where the funny stuff begins. I dont really think the Reapers "gained sentience" as we understand it, not like how the geth or EDI did.

    The reapers are immune to any attempt of hacking or control (disregard the control ending) and they are far more intelligent than any organic or synthetic, able to outmanoeuvre anything that can possibly be a threat to them. Their processing capabilites are off the charts as well as their energy management. However, i think this can be explained by their absolutely alien and unknowable physiology: Being non-sentient (you cant think with a brain put into a turmix, even if you have a billion turmixed brains) organic genetic material somehow fused together with the singular unquestionable purpose of a limited virtual intelligence. Kinda like the polar opposite of what we see in Project Overlord (one organic mind fused with thousands of geth units)

    But they dont ask questions. They dont think about anything, they have no culture, no society, no undertanding nor a desire to understand moral dilemmas. The geth and EDI have these qualities, and thats what we consider as sentient artificial intelligence. Does this unit have a soul? Yes it does. But do reapers have souls? No, becouse they dont even ask this question. They claim to be beyond these kinds of thing, beyond our comprehension, but that to me sounds like a crafted response they pull out of the hat every time they are unable to comprehend what we ask them.
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    That sounds pretty consistent with Sovereign's speech. The part that's sticking out in my mind right now is, "We simply ARE." That makes quite a bit of sense if the Reapers have no actual thoughts, beliefs, or questions. Even the Geth would never say something along those lines, because they seek to change and improve themselves. I never played Overlord, but that contrast is also cool.
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    I don't think it does care. The stupid moron uses self defeating logic to justify murdering trillions. He is the same as any war criminal in history. A Liar with a god complex because his way leads to the only possible solution.

    Thank god I have infinite ammo. Eventually one round will hit home.

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