Excellent post ASC and you're correct. The only truly hostile AI encounter was Overlord, which was the chaos of an organic mind combined with a VI. The geth have been way more tolerant than any organic has shown to be, even to the quarians, who took every opportunity to attack them, enslave them, or destroy them. Yet we're supposed to believe the geth will spontaneously decide to kill everyone? In Me1 we assumed all geth were hostile, We learn they aren't, in fact, we learn only a fraction of the geth followed sovereign and the reapers. The survival instinct is a trait all life has to some degree, anything that simply wishes to survive has some semblance of life. The point about EDI is incredibly valid, as she is the most advanced AI shown besides the reapers/catalyst. Even without restraints or programming codes restricting what she can do, she never does one single thing harmful to the Normandy's crew, even going out of her way to help, save and protect them. That bond she developed with Joker, her desire to become more..human shows that she is not a merciless killing machine, shes really kind of sweet, hell, the one bit i like about the end is that we see EDI give joker a hug. She even respects you enough to base what she should do solely on what you say, she trusts you, a machine with no feelings does not trust, it would base your value on what you can do, and dispose of you when you are no longer useful. Beatable? Sure, Organics vastly outnumber synthetics, because synthetics have to be built, and do not just evolve and reproduce on their own, some assistance is required. A good way to point out the fact that machines aren't infallible is during a conversation between Legion and Garrus, legion offers to assist calibrating(shut up about that, i know the joke, it is funny, but be serious, please) Now we would assume as a machine, Legion would be best suited toward that task, Garrus nearly doubles the results Legion said he could get. Edi states this is why an organic pilot is also better than a ship simply being AI driven, we don't think the same, we are unpredictable, otherwise it would simply be the ship with the best hardware would win. Together EDI and Joker make the Normandy borderline unstoppable for its size because they combine AI logic with human skill and unpredictability. Synthetics have always shown to be beatable, a good example is star gate, you have the Replicators, who have a simple goal, guess what that is? Anyway, they build human form replicators, who are significantly smarter, one in particular learns the human quality of betrayal as well as emotions, he in turn builds another, who betrays him. With the geth, the only betrayal was by the heretics, whom you have the option of rewriting, so the geth are united once more. Legion doesn't really understand this and seems rather depressed by the fact they they would betray their own. As the first organic to really co operate with the geth, you get somewhat deified. You don't betray them(except in that video i guess, if you want) and they appreciate you for that. They also appreciate Tali and the fact you and she(and koris!) can make sure they aren't all slaughtered by the quarians, to them, the actions of the few outweigh the actions of the many. Legion sacrifices himself to save his people, he knows he will die, he does not want to die, but he sees no other way to save them, so he does it. Essentially becoming the Geth equivalent of Jesus. He was also the first geth with real individuality and his own personal motivations and he more or less hero worships Shepard. How is he a bad guy? How could he possibly be a bad guy, especially if he is a fanboy? I think the whole synthetics vs organics thing is bs at the end, as ASC has pointed out, they start out as simple bad guys, but are developed much further. The Narrative changes drastically and all the character development and information means squat, they're all bad, for some reason... After ME2 i figured we would have a way to resolve this whole synthetics are bad, organics are good, and we do, and if anything it shows that cooperation is the best solution, EDI even used "cooperative symbiosis" if i recall. EDI and Joker far surpass all other pilots and ship combinations and the geth help cut decades off the quarians resettlement plan. Nope they're all evil...Why does the Catalyst insist this? As he IS the citadel he should have all the information about edi and the geth at his metaphorical fingertips It does seem this ending was never planned, was rushed and there seem to be a lot of signs left as if to say how terrible it is and such by the team. The fact mr starchild exists seem to be such an indicator. You only resort to a Deus Ex Machina when you have no idea what to do and/or a short amount of time to do it in, especially with a story like Mass Effect. Mr Catalyst does try to explain, and really i don't buy his explanation. I would not have minded an extra 10 minutes of verbal judo with the ai. We are always told "We are beyond your comprehension" "It is not a thing you can comprehend" "We are the harbinger of your destiny" yet it was too hard to actually say "Hey, don't build synthetics, seriously guys, or we'll murder you all", or even the 14 lines that the catalyst gets, i mean c'mon! I liked thinking of them as horrible cthulu-esque space monsters or awesome savvy monsters simply reproducing in the most horrible way imaginable. I could have totally run with that, even without a real reason behind their purpose. Reapers are meant to be insanely above organic life, even Legion could not grasp it when he was connected to one. They ruined the cool, mysterious, implacable enemies by making them into horribly inefficient and circular logic wielding police. Stray Bullet and Enkindled Hanar have brought up the whole "We don't know what happened in the past" thing. No, we don't. We know about now. We do not know the future. Right now synthetics are good guys, basically just trying to survive and be free, which is basically the right of all beings in the ME universe, even Vorcha, who are mostly regarded as vermin. In the future synthetics might be developed much faster, ala skynet-terminator, etc. Now i would count that as an unknown, i don't know what would happen in the next 50,000 years, but right now, synthetics are not attacking organics, except the reapers, or reaper controlled geth. It seems like current evidence would suggest that synthetics are not destroying organics...aside from yours starchild, so uh...why don't you come back in 50 years and see how its all going? No? Just let everyone die or just take your horrible choices? Man i hate you. "It is not a thing you can comprehend" "I should go"