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Discussion in 'EA - BioWare' started by Evil Chris Priestly, May 16, 2012.
I'm with you there.
Oh and an Omega DLC would be good.
So what do I think I will do in regards to after the ECDLC is released? As far as ME in concerned currently MP has never been my thing so I honestly do not see myself playing it even after the EC is released. Will I go back and play ME1-3 well not knowing what will be in the EC is really hard to say. Now how do I feel about Bioware in general? Well I am hoping that the EC will create a much better relationship with the customer/ fan base then there is right now. I mean it feels like a stare down between the customers and Bioware. I want to continue to have any BW game on my automatic preorder list. But the relationship is strained right now for me. While i did not universally hate DA2. There was definitely some major story element issues that I did have. I personally liked the art direction and the faster combat. However I thought character interaction and about the last 1/3 of the story could have been handled differently. Then now with the current ME3 issue my faith is strained badly. So I am hoping that Bioware/ EA have learned how to handle future situations like this better then they did before announcing the EC.
For myself, though there is definitely one thing that I know that I will be doing, and that is promoting better interactions between Devs, pubs, game media, and customers. As this whole situation has brought up many concerns that have been going on in the industry, That as a whole that can only be fixed when all 4 of those groups come together, and try to fix them.
For me personally the EC will go one of 3 ways either:
1) BW will pull out a blinder, and make up for the disapointment of the ending. which will make me exicted about ME and other BW products again.
2) the EC will be "OK", it could be better but I kinda see that you put effort in I might not preorder products, and I might wait for user reviews to filter through so I get a round view of the Bioware product.
3) The EC leaves me with the same sickening feeling that the original ending did. I'm left not trusting BW, and BW's involment in future products becomes a negative indicator.
As others have said, this all depends on the EC's content, If you asked me four months ago what would happen after playing ME3 I would not say "Well i'm going to be protesting for a new ending".
Delusions of grandeur because the bolded part (emphasis mine) is the problem with everyone at Bioware these days. The people who disliked your ending are not "some" by a long shot; They're the majority. The fundamental problem with the extended cut is that it's providing more of what most players hated, thus nullifying its existence.
Imagine a restaurant promotes veggie burgers on its menu (and has done so for 5+ years). So one day you decide to eat there and after you place your order, pay for it and are seated, you're instead served a hamburger. You complain to the manager that you didn't order a hamburger; you paid for, and rightfully expect, a veggie burger, but the manager is unresponsive to your complaint. Now imagine that instead of taking the hamburger away and coming back with the veggie burger, they claim the problem is that you don't understand how good this hamburger is, as it was made by the best burger chef in the world. So, to appease you, they're going to give you a new hamburger, but this this time they're going to add lettuce, tomatoes, onions, bacon and mayo. Problem is, they're not giving you the burger you want or that they promised; rather, they're giving you more of the burger they feel you should be eating. To make matters worse; you're a vegetarian.
Would this "extended hamburger" satisfy you Chris?
Depends, if the EC fixes all or at least the big reasons of why the ending is terrible, then I will replay the SP multiple times as if it was the first time playing it all over again. However, if the EC doesn't fix these problems, well............I think I'll give up on Bioware completely and take my attention elsewhere....hey Halo 4 looks really good so far, might just spend my former Mass Effect time with that.
This guy who hates awful, story killing endings
P.S. I don't need more colors, just something good
Beyond EC I will boycott just as I am now. The truth is I'm just done with Bioware and EA altogether no matter what you do at this point. And I don't see Extended Cut effecting that.
Extended Cut could add a new ending, final boss fight with harbinger, and flesh out the existing endings quite well and it still won't sway me. That's because it's not even about the ending or lack of final boss anymore, as by now I'm quite over it. It's the fact that you basically treated your customers like absolute crap. It's the fact that you have high level game directors who think video games should not be like video games. It's the fact that you tried to shut up people for boycotting instead of address the reason we wished to boycott in the first place. It's the fact that you continue to try and paint Extending the current ending as the answer to the problem when the community on the whole has shown you time and again that it is certainly not enough.
I will admit, Extended Cut and Resurgence being free were nice gestures, but a molehill of kindness dos not erase a mountain of poor customer service.
I may be too hung up on semantics, but aren't you implying that if I don't like the EC, I probably wouldn't have liked it no matter what? I feel it is completely possible that Bioware delivers their best effort for the EC which they believe is amazingly fulfilling, and it's still just empty and nonsensical. After all, at one point, Bioware thought the original ending was amazing and "artistic." Or, more likely, I'm reading too deep into it. Just food for thought.
Also, I abstain from voting since the responses do not reflect all the possible options. If I like the EC, I will kiss you on the mouth (not literally.) If I dislike the EC, you're dead to me (again, not literally.)
I want to thank you personally for coming on these forms and asking us this stuff. I don’t know a lot of company’s who would do that and I just wanted to say I really am grateful that at least you are coming on here and have dialog, granted we might not like or agree with what you/BioWare have to say but again it helps. I mean I am an extremely jaded, bitter, pissed off former fan boy of BioWare who feels lied to and betrayed buy your company. I really don’t think that a lot of people from your company would go out of their way to ask for my opinion because I have a way of coming across like a huge jack ass.
Now to answer your question, If I was to be honest with myself it really depends on what is in the EC DLC and how I feel afterword’s. I am hoping that even if BioWare will not be fixing the main problems I have with the game that in my opinion ruins all three Mass effect games for me. I am hoping that somehow this will change with the EC DLC, but I am not holding my breath and my expectations are extremely low at this point.
The only reason why I ever play the multiplayer is because I enjoy socializing with the people I have meet on the HTL forms and real life friends that I play with. I will NEVER be paying money for any multiplayer DLC NEVER EVER, I can’t state this enough. I think you adding this in the game is nothing more than a money grabbing scam and it’s not needed. PLEASE for all that is good and holy in this world no more Multiplayer DLC (unless it’s free).
I am extremely hopeful that this EC DLC will win me back and you will have something like a Li DLC where I can have your love interest that you hooked up with in ME2 be a real part of the game and not this cameo crap. I also hope you will focus on doing more stories driven DLC, however this is totally dependent on if you really fix ME3 and how I feel about the changes. I am not holding my breath because from everything your company has said they will not be fixing the main problems I have with the game and that my opinion don’t really matter because I don’t make game’s…. yea I am still bitter about that.
Hope this answers your question and I did not come across to much like a dick.
Unfortunately I think it's rhetoric question... Considering what BioWare has said before increasingly I doubt that EC DLC meets my expectations
But if, IF EC DLC makes things right with me I'll reinstall and replay ME1, ME2 and ME3 many, many times with pure pleasure and I'll buy SP DLC in future. And that is what I exactly want. I always testify my love to ME universum and this is why I'm holding the line. But for sure I won't buy a pre-order of BW game anymore...
But if EC DLC doesn't makes things right - I'm really done with ME and BioWare for good. Because it is not possible to accept such a destruction of the whole ME series.
And at the end I would like to add that I totally agree with @Michael Zack
@WildOrchid any dlc involving Aria or any asari for that matter would be good for you xD
for me I don't see how the EC is going to make the problems with the ending better but if it somehow does I'd be willing to give bioware a second chance and look to buy dlc for mass effect and probably buy bioware games in the future. On the other hand if it's just the same as the current ending and does not really help I'll give up hope on them and add bioware to my list of once great gaming studios who are now dead.
You are missing an option that I would like to tick -
I will start playing ME3 again, both Single Play and Multi Play if the DLC is good.
So I chose the first one instead even though I won't be playing ME3 until the DLC comes out.
I would also like to add that if the DLC is good, I would buy other RPG games from Bioware (Dragon Age).
As it stands, I've stopped playing Mass Effect and trying to immerse myself in other games because of the massive let down that the ME3 ending was. I played ME2 at least 3 times with all side missions when it came out and over the last 2 years I've played it at least another 3 times. So.. that's a total of 6-7 times completely with all side missions. I've played ME3 once and then I put it away. Didn't feel like playing multiplayer either. What's more is that now I'm sceptical of buying RPG games from Bioware. I haven't played Dragon Age and was thinking of getting it because mass effect 1 & 2 was so good. But because of ME3, I really don't want to invest time and effort in another Bioware RPG that will probably disappoint me with a really bad & rushed ending.
I'll go back to playing MP again when the SP campaign actually means something, and you guys prove to us you really do care about SP.
EDIT: I'd like to note that I missread the voting options. I'm not done with the SP campaign, but I won't play MP until ME3 is a complete game.
Whatever happens, I certainly won't forget how you just went along with these endings, stamp on the promises made in magazines and in trailers( take earth back ) and you didn't even think the players deserve an explanation.
If it turns out good I doubt it will return me to that state where I'd without hesitation decide to pre-order. No more dlc or any other bioware game without detailed reviews. If it turns out bad...don't know really.
We'll all just have to wait and see.
I really want to wait and see what the EC DLC looks like before I decide anything one way or the other.
These options fail to mention "if the EC is good" It goes off the assumption that it will be I suppose.
If its not then I sell back my ME games and pretend this never happened.
If it IS good and fixes the problems the ending has then I'll look forward to SP DLC
I answered that I would continue to play both single player and multiplayer and look forward to DLC, but I chose that response under the assumption that the EC manages to do the job. I remain cautiously optimistic, but I feel like I've been burned, so forgive me if I have doubts about putting my hand back in the fire.
I personally find it impossible to predict what I will do upon experiencing that, of which nobody seems willing or able to go into details about. Without knowing what the EC will or will not contain you are asking me to make assumptions about it.
Prior to this any assumption I made about anything Mass Effect would be "It's Mass Effect, it's gonna be awesome.."
Now, I just don't know.
Assuming it does make me happy and answer all my questions then I'll probably spend many many hours galavanting around the galaxy exploring new DLC's as they come.
Assuming it does not.. Well its hard to invest time and energy into something when you know there is only a let down at the end.
I do enjoy the multiplayer, but I'm not sure it will be enough to stop ME3 becoming an unused icon on my desktop,
Wow well said, well said in deed.
I honestly have no idea how I'll react after the EC DLC comes out. It's going to rely on a great many factors. There is one thing I can say for certainty.
I have no idea if the ending was the result of a bad idea, bad execution, or a bad timetable and I doubt we'll ever know. What came on the disc initially was bad; what came after was even worse. Six months ago if someone told me that I would be so furious with Bioware that I would seriously consider never buying another title I would have laughed at them. Three months ago I was feeling guilty, guilty that I was growing bored with SWTOR, and now here we are.
There's one thing you guys can do that would greatly improve the reception of the EC, it would take no money at all and would take virtually no time. "We're sorry" A simple apology would go a long way and with all due respect the EC DLS is not an apology; it's a fix not an apology. For me personally I would rather have an OK DLC and an apology than a really good DLC without one. I realize the whole apology thing would be tough for the higher-ups to stomach, but please ask yourselves what kind of customer base do you want. If fickle, fly by night customers are alright then by all means continue. However, if you want loyal passionate fans that pre-order your games, buy DLC, buy merchandise, and sell friends, family, and strangers on your games that's a relationship and all good relationships require honesty, respect, and trust.
If the DLC is very good to great and/or an apology is forthcoming then we'll see. I would however set the bar very very high when it comes to any future purchases, both DLC and new titles, and I struggle to envision any scenario in which I would pre-order a Bioware title again.