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Datamining the Trilogy (AKA Things That Were Cut)

Discussion in 'Mass Effect 3 General Discussion' started by Noelemahc, Jun 1, 2012.

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  1. The Protheans Elite Member

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    This sounds interesting I wonder if it will have any impact on the game, releasing it as DLC does seem like a dick move if this is indeed going to be released and does change possible outcomes.

    An imprisoned/shun Reaper.
    Almost sounds like the fanfiction and I made up as an alternative ending a couple months ago.
    A lot different though, the only similar aspect is a Reaper that doesn't follow the others.
    The Protheans, Jun 29, 2012
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  2. Natalia Elite Member

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    :cautious: So after all this info, I wonder if they repair the damage with payable Dlc. The game with all the hidden data and "Shepard lives to fight another day" seemed better than what we´ve got.
    Natalia, Jun 29, 2012
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  3. Reaper's Armegeddon Supreme Member

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    It does sound kind of interesting but I still don't see how its possible for a Reaper to turn traitor, or Reaper maker...whatever. The Catalyst doesn't really seem to dick around. If 'Leviathan' is whats left of the Catalyst's creators, it would have been destroyed long ago, AI's aren't known to leave things up to chance.

    Why is it always a mining facility? There was something similar in ME1, where you run across a crapload of husks, in 2 there was that big indoctrination device you blow up in the end, in Arrival, there was object Rho, while it was on an asteroid, i think they mined it out. A new idea rather than "they dug until they found something" seems like it would be better.
    I still find the premise strange. Reapers supposedly are controlled by the Catalyst. It should be impossible for one to turn against it. If its a Reaper-creator...how has it not been destroyed after all this time? Reapers like to blow shit up. It doesn't make enough sense. I don't really want a clone of feros, i hate thorian creepers.

    Yeah i think it is, I still hate him.

    Synthesis still doesn't make any sense though. I can't have nonsensical closure. It doesn't work with my mind. While yay EDI's all humanized...she was headed there anyway, speeding it up was unnecessary. Its a bit like with knowledge, would you rather earn it yourself, or have it given to you immediately? The Geth can answer that.

    I thought BroShepCatalyst sounded kind of badass. He does care, kind of, his purpose is clear.
    I haven't heard Hale's speech and i only know that broshep did sound like he cared about the people that "the man he used to be" cared about. Plus, you know, Reaper armada at his command.
    Yeah those lines made me wonder "I never heard that before, did i?" They're definitely new, but supposedly its a dream, you're remembering those things, but i don't recall them being said, at all.
    Reaper's Armegeddon, Jun 29, 2012
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  4. Inawordyes Elite Member

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    How did I not know about this thread?

    Also, I noticed that the whole Leviathan thing hasn't been added to the OP list. Are you still on the fence a Noel, or did you go looking yourself but haven't updated the list yet?
    Inawordyes, Jun 29, 2012
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  5. jimbo32 Active Member

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    It's interesting that they decided to go with movies for the epilogue slides. Shameless GB padding, anyone? I can see how it was an easier solution than engine-rendered cutscenes (no new models necessary), but I would think that a scripted slideshow of plain tga images (or whatever image format the engine uses) would've been just as easy and saved a shitload of space.

    But I guess a 500MB download for the EC would've been a serious tipoff that they were giving us the bare minimum to shut people up. o_O
    jimbo32, Jun 29, 2012
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  6. Gatsbyfollower Active Member

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    I am fuming mad at BW right now, but I just can't bring myself to suspect that's the reason. We KNOW they redid several pre-existing movie sequences. I wonder if they simply did the epilogue movies in the same production wing for ease of convenience. Still shows they didn't give a rat's donkey about the EC, but without the sinister intentions.
    Gatsbyfollower, Jun 29, 2012
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  7. jimbo32 Active Member

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    Yeah, and didn't I see some comment from BioWare about how they were limited to 2GB by their agreement with PSN and X-box live or somesuch? When coupled with that statement (from Gamble I believe), the whole thing starts to stink like week-old fish.
    jimbo32, Jun 29, 2012
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  8. Gatsbyfollower Active Member

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    That did happen, and I will concede that is possibly a point for the "EC padding argument". That said, I still presume incompetence rather than malice. I don't recall any "slides" in any other part of the game, so perhaps the reasoning was that it would be "graphically jarring" (I was jarred by more than the graphics though, let me tell you that).
    Gatsbyfollower, Jun 29, 2012
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  9. Noelemahc Editorial Team
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    It's in the thread already, as there wasn't much to find, I just haven't updated the OP yet.
    Lack of imagination as to how a Reaper or Cuttlefish would suddently be found AFTER ALL THIS TIME. Makes about as much sense as finding Javik's coffin or the Crucible Data on Mars, don't it?
    There's a HUGE difference in how Paragon and Renegade ReaperSheps speak =)


    So, guys, here I was thinking... Would you be interested in screencaps (as in stills, since they're all essentially pseudo-animated pictures with just a bit of parallax in them) of ALL the epilogue slides? I will spoiler and label them, of course, for ease of loading and reference.

    Something to hold you over: you know what decision has the most options and outcomes? That's right, TUCHANKAAAAARGH. Since it's freling video, there's a whomping 19 possible videos (some of which contain two or three slides) detailing its outcomes across the three colours. For comparison, Rannoch has 6.
    Noelemahc, Jun 30, 2012
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  10. Reaper's Armegeddon Supreme Member

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    Well the crucible data still doesn't make sense, but Javik is possible. Eden prime was kind of exterminated by geth. So i buy the fact that they hadn't excavated it all yet.


    Good to know.

    All, not really, some of the differences are just green eyes and weird glowing skin. Some of them, yeah. Like i doubt anyone cares what happens with Wreav or if you barely win, who the hell did that?

    I've also been wondering, how did you attach files to some of your posts?
    Reaper's Armegeddon, Jun 30, 2012
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  11. Noelemahc Editorial Team
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    See that button, says "UPLOAD A FILE" under the message entry box? That's how. If it's a picture, it lets you decide whether you want it full-size or thumbnailed, everything else simply is tacked on. Upped files should be below 800 kb PER FILE, and ZIP is the only archive format it understands. For non-pictures non-texts, ZIPping the files is the only way the uploader will accept them, it's crazy like that.
    Noelemahc, Jun 30, 2012
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    OK, here we go. I thought long and hard, and it's better to do it per-subject, not per-ending. Sorry in advance.

    Format is simple: Non-spoiler description of picture and/or conditions to get, picture inside spoiler tags. File names correspond to video file names for the most part.

    Earth and the Reapers
    Control, Reapers on Earth - I assume you get this under any conditions at all. Two slides in one video.
    Show Spoiler
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    [IMG]


    Destroy, Citadel unrecoverable - I assume this is for mid/low EMS. Two slides in one video.
    Show Spoiler
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    Destroy, Citadel rebuilt - I assume this is for high EMS. Two slides in one video.
    Show Spoiler
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    Synthesis - "City of the Future" - this is part of the DNA video, but it IS a slide.
    Show Spoiler
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    Rannoch
    Control - Geth join the Reapers - you get this if the Geth are alive. No idea whether you get it with Geth/Quarian peace, I will be playing that save to the end today.
    Show Spoiler
    [IMG]


    Destroy/Control - Quarian City - you get this if the Quarians are alive. No idea whether you get it in Control with Quarian peace. See above. Two versions of this exist, one shows "more" population by having people walk in front of the camera, but it's a VERY non-informative screenshot.
    Show Spoiler
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    Destroy - Wasteland - if you killed the Quarians to save the Geth, but picked Destroy.
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    Synthesis - Geth join the Reapers - same as the Control one, but with green glow instead of blue.
    Show Spoiler
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    Synthesis - Quarian/Geth Coexistance - rather obvious. YES, THERE IS NO GETHLESS SLIDE FOR SYNTHESIS.
    Show Spoiler
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    Tuchanka
    Control and Destroy identical here, for obvious reasons. Some of these have "names" based off file labels.

    Destroy - Cured Genophage, Eve is dead
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    Synthesis version.
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    Destroy - Cured Genophage, Eve is alive (yes, it's a palette swap of the above)
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    Synthesis version.
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    Destroy - "Barren" - Kept Genophage, Eve is alive, Wrex is dead (because you killed him on the Citadel, you evil, evil man!)
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    Destroy - "Wasteland" - Wreav is alive, Eve is irrelevant, Genophage NOT cured.
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    Destroy - Cured Genophage, haven't seen this slide in-game, so cannot comment on other conditions.
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    Destroy - Kept Genophage, Rachni are alive (only Rachni slide in the game!)
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    Destroy - "Rebuilding" - Cured Genophage, Wrex is alive
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    Synthesis version.
    Show Spoiler
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    Destroy - Kept Genophage, Eve is dead, Wrex is dead (because you killed him, yada yada), Rachni are dead, this is Dickasaurus Shepard at his finest.
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    Destroy - "War Debate" - Cured Genophage, Eve is alive, Wreav is alive (viable phrase, as he is eaten by Kalross if Wrex is clan leader). Two slides.
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    [IMG]


    Destroy - Wreav comes back home. Genophage and Eve irrelevant. (so it's "High EMS Destroy or Control" only, as the relays don't get fixed in low EMS endings). Two slides.
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    [IMG]

    Synthesis version.
    Show Spoiler
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    [IMG]


    Destroy - "War Rally" - Wreav is alive, Eve is dead, Genophage cured. Two slides. Krogan Rebellions FTW!
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    [IMG]


    Destroy - Wrex and Grunt come back home (so they're both alive). Genophage cured, Eve irrelevant. Also High EMS, like the Wreav one. Two slides.
    Show Spoiler
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    Destroy - Wrex comes home (Grunt is dead). Same as above otherwise.
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    Synthesis version. Yes, there is no Synthesis version of the Wrex-and-Grunt one.
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    Synthesis - Future Cities (don't rightly know if Genophage matters, but certainly Wrex is alive)
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    Noelemahc, Jun 30, 2012
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    Squadmate and NPC fates
    Jack
    Destroy/Control - Made her turn students to frontline soldiers
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    Synthesis version
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    Destroy/Control - Made her turn students into backup artillery
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    Synthesis version
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    Destroy - She was romanced, you got breathing scene
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    Miranda
    Control - "Base"
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    Destroy - "Vanguard"
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    Synthesis version
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    Destroy - She was romanced, you got breathing scene
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    Mordin
    Destroy/Control - "Studies" - only requires he survived to the end of the game.
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    Jacob
    Control - "London"
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    Synthesis version
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    Destroy - "Teacher"
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    Don't ask me WHAT this implies about him and Reapers. Just don't.

    Kasumi
    Destroy/Control - "Sitting", greybox status irrelevant?
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    Synthesis - requires greybox intact
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    Coates
    Destroy/Control - High EMS
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    Synthesis version
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    Destroy - low EMS
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    Samara
    Destroy/Control - "Justicar" - Falere is dead.
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    Destroy/Control - "Daughter" - Falere survived.
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    Synthesis version
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    Zaeed
    Destroy/Control - "Sitting" - only requires he survived to the end of the game.
    Show Spoiler
    [IMG]
    Noelemahc, Jun 30, 2012
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    Last ditch effort.

    Flashback slides!

    Ashley
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    Cortez
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    EDI
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    Eve
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    Garrus
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    Grunt
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    Jack
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    Jacob
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    James
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    Javik (spelled as Javick in file name, haha)
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    Joker
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    Kaidan
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    Legion
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    Liara
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    Miranda
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    Mordin
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    Samara
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    Shepard
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    Tali
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    Thane (what is he doing in C-SEC?)
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    Traynor
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    Wrex
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    And, for debate purposes, Stargazer 2.0
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    Noelemahc, Jun 30, 2012
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  15. Kysi Elite Member

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    Wow, thanks for digging up all of those slides!
    Hm, wonder why we didn't get to see some of them....like the one with Eve and the baby. (If that's even her)
    Kysi, Jun 30, 2012
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    Perhaps there's a limit as to how many slides you can see at a time - like with the Flashback ones.

    Iffy points:
    Coates, Zaeed, Kasumi and Jenkins don't get flashback slides; there are no Thane/Kahje/Kolyat ending slides, there is no Thessia fate slides, no Sur'Kesh ones, etc, etc. It's as if they themselves admitted that "well, yeah, Tuchanka and Rannoch were the main heroes of this story, and Tuchanka more so than Rannoch, so screw everybody else".
    So, Jacob and Brynn help with restoration efforts in Synthesis and Control, but... what's that Jacob doing in Destroy?
    No fate slides for ME3 squadmates? WTF?

    Happy points:
    The Jack resolutions were adapted from the most popular fan theories. Intentional or not, but they match'em.
    Miranda's ending slides have asari architecture in the background. Fun.
    All the flashback slides have backgrounds associated with that character, some logical (Miranda's cabin on the old SR2, or the Lessuss monastery for Samara), some less so (Shroud elevator for Mordin, C-SEC for Thane), some cute (Garrus in his Favorite Spot On the Citadel).
    Miranda and Jack getting (if samey) slides for the breathing scene reference to compensate for their absence in the cenotaph scene.
    Noelemahc, Jun 30, 2012
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    The thessia ending slide apparently is the Samara one. I find that jack, miranda and the rest only getting a slide as their resolution to be incredibly lame(being nearly the same didn't work for the ending, why would it for the epilogue?). Same with some people not getting a slide at all. As for jacob...maybe he just likes talking about reapers dying?

    The jack thing is a bit odd to me. Also, i'm fairly sure i got the slide with them all alive even though i put them on the frontlines(they were worth more assets there, so sue me). I still think green reapers makes no sense. Also, why are there Rachni on Tuchanka?
    Reaper's Armegeddon, Jun 30, 2012
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    No idea, but the file notes clearly say it's supposed to be Tuchanka. One of my Sheps is lined up for what I theorize to be the requirement for it, but he wasn't imported into ME3 yet.
    Miranda's "Vanguard" slide has Thessia-like buildings outside the window. Interesting, no?
    Noelemahc, Jun 30, 2012
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    Well, thats weird, the Rachni would have no reason to be on tuchanka, unless wreav got out of hand and stuff.

    I'm fairly certain those are human buildings, but because of how tall they are, they need that sort of cone to support them. I doubt the design is exclusively asari, but i could be wrong.
    Reaper's Armegeddon, Jun 30, 2012
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    [IMG]

    This is Harbinger but only with blue eyes instead of green.Did Shepard and Harbinger become one? :D Ooooh Shepard I know you feel this.

    When Reaper Shepard starts talking in the Control ending I noticed something strange,when he says Eternal,Infinite,Immortal his tone of voice seems to change from word to word,Eternal sounding particularly machine-like and ominous,then changing to a more human sounding voice when he says Infinite and Immortal,until it becomes Shepard's voice later on.I guess they wanted to imply he is a Reaper/new Catalyst now with the different voice but changed it to Shepard's voice when he speaks about the fate of the galaxy,to make his comments more emotional and acceptable to the players,most people would have hard time making an emotional connection to the cutscenes if he spoke all of his lines sounding like Sovereign :D

    And if you considered Harbinger's lecture at the end of Mass Effect 2 which was cut,this ending is foreshadowed in a strange way because in that cut lecture Harbinger says "We are the beginning,you will be the end".
    Cerberus, Jun 30, 2012
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